tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8157974268055329029.post3171562445915178740..comments2023-03-27T04:10:33.857+00:00Comments on Between the Lines: We Are All Prostitutesbetween-the-lineshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15523250378946750149noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8157974268055329029.post-5809653622071737452011-10-29T17:30:26.150+00:002011-10-29T17:30:26.150+00:00Cryptic as ever ...Cryptic as ever ...between-the-lineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15523250378946750149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8157974268055329029.post-17769115448844240142011-10-27T19:31:58.951+00:002011-10-27T19:31:58.951+00:00I am still here ...I am still here ...weggishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04651722712995395981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8157974268055329029.post-38244357786987776692011-10-27T14:43:57.957+00:002011-10-27T14:43:57.957+00:00Well aren't we a mutual agreement society. I w...Well aren't we a mutual agreement society. I was unhappily involved in the thread MP mentioned and baffled by it. He never once said anything negative about Moslems, never made a single racist comment and never could even though we both tried as did Tracie and others, get the thread to the topic. Very sad.<br /><br />FWIW<br />jimBJimBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312606954135884910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8157974268055329029.post-14252240210211736052011-10-27T13:43:21.163+00:002011-10-27T13:43:21.163+00:00"One is calling out the statement, not the pe..."One is calling out the statement, not the person. It's a way to avoid falling into an ad hominem attack."<br /><br />Well it may be, but it often morphs into being ad hom anyway, sadly.between-the-lineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15523250378946750149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8157974268055329029.post-55225609215865337592011-10-27T13:37:39.345+00:002011-10-27T13:37:39.345+00:00This word "liberal" is very, er, problem...This word "liberal" is very, er, problematic. It has so many meanings depending on who's using it, what country they're in, period of history and so on.<br /><br />A classical liberal is very close to being a neo-con or a neo-liberal today.<br /><br />While in the US now I thought that calling someone a liberal was pretty much the same as calling them a socialist.<br /><br />Aaaargh .........<br /><br />Have to say, I never find any liberals, apart from Lib Dems - and what they are God only knows. No, I only ever come across people who say they are "on the left" and people who are definitely "not on the left". <br /><br />.... Apart from normal (ie non-political) people that is, who if you listen, generally express opinions that those on the left describe as "right-wing".<br /><br />We are in a mess!between-the-lineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15523250378946750149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8157974268055329029.post-19272685456123410002011-10-27T12:46:53.163+00:002011-10-27T12:46:53.163+00:00Oh and when MadPriest says, "I find that libe...Oh and when MadPriest says, "I find that liberals are, in fact, the most censorious and reactionary group of people in the world," I have to say that I've noticed a lot of this too. Truth be told, I've been guilty of doing it, and I've had people do it to me as well. :(<br /><br />So one of the things I've done is been a great deal more careful about labelling myself as a "liberal" - maybe I'm NOT as liberal as I thought I was. I ask myself "does this word <i>really, truly</i> describe me all that well?" Maybe it doesn't...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8157974268055329029.post-71244760360379181802011-10-27T12:41:43.072+00:002011-10-27T12:41:43.072+00:00RE: you will call my statement “problematic"
...RE: <i>you will call my statement “problematic"</i><br /><br />Well, this one is easy. One is calling out the statement, not the person. It's a way to avoid falling into an <i>ad hominem</i> attack. Make sense?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8157974268055329029.post-16019518285961959452011-10-27T10:38:16.607+00:002011-10-27T10:38:16.607+00:00I'm an old school socialist myself. But the re...I'm an old school socialist myself. But the readers of my blog are mostly American liberals. So when I get slagged off it's usually liberals doing the slagging.MadPriesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120376342802143188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8157974268055329029.post-37652470967310302932011-10-27T10:14:04.775+00:002011-10-27T10:14:04.775+00:00Thanks for your comment mp. I can but fully agree ...Thanks for your comment mp. I can but fully agree with you, as it happens to me all the time, being in between the lines in the straitjacketed contemporary slanging match which passes for debate these days.<br /><br />Politics and Religion seem more similar than ever now, and far too many people seem to see an opinion divergent from their own as some kind of sin.<br /><br />I note that you say "liberals" though. How do "liberals" relate to "the left"?<br /><br />A venn diagram will do ;-)between-the-lineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15523250378946750149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8157974268055329029.post-26350994473166896362011-10-27T09:36:37.955+00:002011-10-27T09:36:37.955+00:00I wrote a post recently in which I stated that, be...I wrote a post recently in which I stated that, because it is primarily concerned with submission, Islam is a bad idea. It was an intellectual point, well argued. It was a lengthy post but I made absolutely clear that I was talking about doctrine not people. I did not say Muslims are a bad idea.<br /><br />The very first comment I received accused me of racism without any engagement with my argument. That spiralled and I have lost at least two regular readers (friends) because of it. It didn't matter how much I insisted that I was referring to doctrine, those who always do so had read the word "Islam" and gone into "call out" mode immediately.<br /><br />Liberalism should be about open discussion. I find that liberals are, in fact, the most censorious and reactionary group of people in the world. I would much rather go head to head with a hardline conservative as they will invariable argue about the issue and not waste time on semantics and arguing about what you can and cannot discuss.MadPriesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120376342802143188noreply@blogger.com